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Warrior - Pure Axe EA

Rotation[edit]

Ele is my first priority, and I actually don't watch all of Nike's warrior guides, but Eviscerate spam is an important part of the EA rotation because you don't need Adrenaline for the Berserker's Power trait (which you have in all 6/x/x/x/x builds). This evis spam (plus the impale-rip) is what keeps this build's DPS competitive with a much easier to play 6/4/0/4/0 GS EA build.

Yeah we should look into that. Don't know if there even is a suggestion about the rotations Fredor (talk) 08:34, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Specializations[edit]

Forceful Greatsword on a build that uses no Greatsword? Surely Rending Strikes? --Random Weird Guy (talk) 23:23, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Probably a typo. This should be archived anyway I think, since the nerf to FGs Empower Allies isn't a great option.--TV Thief Icon.jpgTahiriVeila (talk) 03:43, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand your point here, are you saying that EA was only useful for fgs, despite increasing the dps of every single skill used by every member of your party? --Random Weird Guy (talk) 19:19, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Rating?[edit]

I think we should reevaluate the ratings of this build. I just do not know why this build deserves a great rating although being inferior to the other possible options. Fredor (talk) 08:36, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I still think that this build is outdated. What should we do about that? Fredor (talk) 07:42, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Possibly outdated[edit]

If it's outdated it should be either updated or archived instead of downgrading it. Fredor which parts are outdated in your opinion? Or the entire build lost its purpose? --Necromancer Icon Color.pngHanz(talk) 18:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Nobody is playing EA builds anymore - except of course phalanx - because it isn't worthwhile after the changes to fgs. So either change it to a full axe dps build or downgrade it. Although a full axe dps build is still worse than the standard build. Fredor (talk) 21:23, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Build is actually very good, and it's better then phalanx in groups that already have decent might (aka any group with double ele). And it's as good now as it was a few months ago except Sigil of Battle (also sigil section refers to Sigil of Energy that isn't mentioned anywhere else) and might nerf kinda made this better by comparison to other builds. But while Phalanx is easy to switch to (65003 to 05063 in 10 seconds) this requires it's own gearset and lacks in mobility which also translates to decreased defense. So it's not outdated and it's still a top performer which is technically what's required to be listed as a great build. The only problem this build actually has is that GS builds are slightly better, which is why GS Axe/Mace is listed as meta and this is not. (And Phalanx is just a variant of the GS A/M anyhow) Blackie (talk) 22:26, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
The only reason they used this build was to buff the fgs even more. With that one gone there is no reason to use EA in a max dps build anymore since your own damage loss is higher than the group dps gained by EA. That's why this build is outdated. I also dare say that they wouldn't waste the points on that in the phalanx build if that trait wasn't already in the main ps traitline. Fredor (talk) 07:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Vuln, this build supplies more vulnerability then GS A/M while also bringing EA. Which is what gives it the lead over GS A/M in some teams, specifically teams that supply a decent amount of might without capping on it.
That said, I think most people who had the gear for this have already salvaged their gear, not because the build isn't powerful enough but because they can't be arsed to keep a second set of gear for performance equivalent to GS A/M. Likewise we might want to Archieve this on the basis that we can't be bothered to maintain it because nobody bothers using it. Blackie (talk) 08:51, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Then gimme the dps calculation on which you base these assumptions. I do not think that this can hold up in anyway since the gs am builds has like over 15% in additional damage modifiers. Fredor (talk) 09:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Avg of 4 stacks extra vulnerability and EA. Quoting the video linked on the page net gain from EA is ~2k DPS (by a rough estimate) in an optimal party while the build itself does ~1500 DPS less then a pure greatsword build. The two builds described as being perfectly optimal in said video are the Pure Axe EA build (this one) and the 6/5/0/0/3 A/M build with three other builds described as having slight imperfections. January patch slightly distorted these calculations but if anything they were distorted in favor of EA and not the other way around. So there's nothing in between now and then which suggests this build deserves a downgrade other then the fact that this build is only suited for the extreme echelons of the game (speed clear runs / boss kill records) and not general play. And since we here on metabattle rate builds based on a speed clear scenario (which we really should not) this build should still be rated as great. Blackie (talk) 12:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
"Pure axe has no real reason to be used at this point. The overall dps is significantly lower. A pure Axe EA build would be interesting, but EA doesn't boost your party by as much as EA nerfs your personal DPS." Quoting the creator of the video from 1 month ago. Also the build is older than the last three balance patches, thus I do not think that the calcs hold up. Fredor (talk) 18:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Calcs from EA were up to date in the september patch at least, only significant change since then was the might nerf which would have increased the value of power. Anyhow, regardless of how powerful this build is, nobody plays it. So wouldn't it be better to first determine whether or no we want to keep a build that nobody uses around and then discuss exactly how powerful the build is / or isn't afterwards? I mean seriously, do we want to keep a build which isn't in active use purely on the basis of it being a good build? Or just archive it. Blackie (talk) 15:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
I would archive it since it was only useful in combination with fgs. But let the admins decide.Fredor (talk) 15:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
No, it has usage in some team comps still from what I read on dnt forum -- Please see my post in the community portal talk page for both of you guys « Chase ♥ ♥ ♥ » 16:22, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Which one? Nothing recent there Blackie (talk) 17:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
this one « Chase ♥ ♥ ♥ » 17:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Mkay, but looking at the calc is see that the gear of this build is still quite outdated since they are calculating with scholar runes and without any kind of strength boost equippement Fredor (talk) 17:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
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