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Firebrand - Quickfire

Celestial is not a good stat for this build because this build doestn benefit much from power damage (since "Ashes of the Just", our main-source of dmg does not have power damage) and therefore Power/precisions and ferocity would be completely wasted. If u want to go more towards support swap in apothecary-/shaman- and trailblazer-stats (this way u can go higher on healing power AND on condition dmg). The main issue with dropping Honor is the heal-dodge and the 6 seconds more cd on "Stand your ground" but its not that big of a problem and i dont know what Honor has to do with the heal mantra and the mace/shield-combo. Care to explain? "Quickfire" astronomically better than "Permeating Wrath", just test before rating pls.

Mace, Axe and Justice tome all have excellent power ratios, so Gurdian benefits very well from Power, Precision and Ferocity. I agree that using apothecary, shaman and trailblazer's would be much better, I'm not sure why you're using Dire at all. The heal mantra and mace/shield provide no (group) healing at all without , thats why both are worthless without it. The issue isn't just Permeating Wrath vs Quickfire, though not being able to take it is, in fact, a huge dps loss (and a support build really shouldn't be giving up Indomitable Courage). You also lack burning duration (you're missing 20/35% - see above on gear), you don't have ranged symbols for filler, your utilities don't provide damage (Heal mantra + mace/shield is enough to proc Stalwart Speed) Arete (talk) 03:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry and i know that I must sound like an incorrigable guy who is just full of his build and cant take criticism. However, I honestly think you dont quite understand how this build works. I only use Axe/Torch, due to the melee-nature on half of my pushes and primarily for the CC (its also not a must-have for this build; one might aswell play with hammer or staff). Means this set doesnt get into play nearly as much as my burning from . Going celestial would result in a severe dmg-loss.

My ranged filler is granting Ashes of the Just to allies. My ranged filler is a Necro dropping his symbols and shadows (thereby applying my burning stacks). My fillers are the fillers of my party. Meanwhile i can heal, defend, do guardian-things basically. Sure if i had an additional ranged weapon it would be even better since i also have "Ashes of the Just" but i wont drop a good support option just to apply a bit more burning.

Í also think that you underestimate Quickfire enourmously. Its dmg-potential is faaaar greater than permeating Wrath in a Zerg-context (i brought this into play because i saw u rated another firebrandbuild (which i think isnt good for Zerg) pretty high which was based around permeating Wrath).

You got me on , though. I thought this would only heal me. Did it always heal your partymembers or was this patched at some point? Well then this build does heal significantly less than an honorguard. Still mace/shield makes a ton of sence for granting protection aegis and also for healing (auttoattack, symbol). My Aegis doesnt heal, sadly but it applies burning and Quickness due to and /. Same for heal-mantra. To call them useless without honor is exagarated. They fullfill a purpose, just not the one that other builds use them for XD.

One of the reasons i picked a lot of dire in my setup is because i personally prefered dmg over healing in my current setup (also because our guild-setup has every build do some healing and not just purely relies on the guard to handle that; but i havent had any problems in publics, where i was the only healer of the party with this build so far aswell) because as you pointed out this is not a dedicated healer, but it does a decent job at healing. However, i added said pieces as variants so everybody may decide for themeselves how they wanna place the dps/healing-balance. I wouldnt drop below 1,4k condidmg, though because below you might be better off just playing a full-healer with honor etc and ignore .

The burning duration is not an issue at all. The base-value of is pretty high so u end up on 5,5 seconds with the offensive bufffood and on 5 seconds without it. In a ZErg this will most likely get cleaned halfway through its duration and if it doesnt the player with the stacks will likely die either way.

Btw.: Do you happen to know if i can jsut drop Youtube-links on Metabattle or will this result in a ban? I think i might just drop some ingame-footage for this build so ppl can see my insane burnbomb and aknowledge that is insane for zergs.--Genitor (talk) 15:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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