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If this old content would still be some kind of serious stuff, I'd say nothing about the "Meta" thing. But as I kinda said before, I'd be happy already, if we can make it clear to people, what is the best option for their class as well as the best option as a team for Fractals (Dungeons) and that there are other options which arent bad.<br />
 
If this old content would still be some kind of serious stuff, I'd say nothing about the "Meta" thing. But as I kinda said before, I'd be happy already, if we can make it clear to people, what is the best option for their class as well as the best option as a team for Fractals (Dungeons) and that there are other options which arent bad.<br />
 
Give me your thoughts on that, thanks. --[[User:Thor|Thor]] ([[User talk:Thor|talk]]) 17:14, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 
Give me your thoughts on that, thanks. --[[User:Thor|Thor]] ([[User talk:Thor|talk]]) 17:14, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
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: We don't have to use the word "meta". You can just split them up into "good" and "great" builds. We'll just say there is no "meta" for fractals so they don't need that designation.
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: If we split up HoT and pre builds, we might have to create a new category. Should ask Valento about that, or perhaps there is already a way to do so with specializations (probably is actually). We could split this on two rows, but two columns might take a bit more work. Should be do-able.
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: Do we need a "best of build" section? Are there some classes that are so significantly worse that they'd be placed at best in the "good" section as opposed to great? I would hope with HoT that these things got balanced (all professions having at least one build in great), but I'm not aware, so I apologize.
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: Do you think we should have separate pages for raids/fractals? We could copy paste the tempest one and use it for only raids with that variant. Or if you think the variants are less, then we can simply indicate it in the guide. If we use one build for raids & fractals they'll have to start being much clearer about which things gow tih which guide. For instance, gear should explicitly state "For fractals & raids use berserker's" etc.  [[User:Chase|※]] [[User talk:Chase|Chase]] @ 18:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
  
 
== Raids ==
 
== Raids ==

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Reevaluation

We recently downgraded a couple of dungeon builds to good since they are now outmatched by the specializations. What still needs to be done is to delete the ratings and inform the users for reevaluation. I already talked with hanz about this but he has his hands full with the pvp section Fredor (talk) 12:48, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Could do this yeah, but I once had the idea to somehow change the complete dungeon "overlay". The thing is, should we keep the old builds without the elite spec for people without HoT or not. And if we keep them, why not splitting it up, like HoT / no HoT. Another thing is, a so called meta for dungeons/FotM doesn't really exist anymore imo because no one really plays this serious anymore. I should write down my ideas somewhere, might be easier to talk about it then. --Thor (talk) 15:03, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Archive the Community Portal and start a list in the new one. But I wouldnt throw away the builds that are great but not fit for raids. Also how do you want to categorize the non hot builds that are useful in hot content? Fredor (talk) 15:24, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Fractals (Dungeons)

I think this works as well to write down some of my ideas.

Recommended Team composition:

  • This on top like there is Team at the moment.
  • Complete guide about best team comp, this includes why one class is prefered over another one and so on.
  • This should be the main explanation part for this section

Best build of a class: (seriously need a better name for this^^)

  • "Meta"- Builds for the recommended classes.

no HoT builds:

  • If we even want this.
  • The old recommended meta builds for people without HoT.
  • I would place it, if it is possible, next to the HoT builds like a 2nd column.

Viable options:

  • All the other good, but not "Meta"- Builds.
  • As an example, you most likely will play Tempest ele in raids, but for Sabetha on range, you could go with Arcana. It is an equal option but not the over all recommended build.
  • But I only would like to see good builds there, not some kind of phantasy stuff.

Guides:

  • Maybe put them somewhere on top. They kinda get lost on the bottom imo.
  • The food guide might need a small rework, havent checked it lately, prolly will do this then.


Overall thought:
I dont really like the word "Meta" or more likely the way it is getting used. At the current state of the game, which means, Dungeons are kinda dead (thanks anet D: ) and Fractals are fairly easy (no one is doing high lvl fractals), I dont really want to call something "Meta". Yes there are builds that are better than others and that is what we should tell the people in my opinion. Something like This is the best option to go, but this here is fine as well. If this old content would still be some kind of serious stuff, I'd say nothing about the "Meta" thing. But as I kinda said before, I'd be happy already, if we can make it clear to people, what is the best option for their class as well as the best option as a team for Fractals (Dungeons) and that there are other options which arent bad.
Give me your thoughts on that, thanks. --Thor (talk) 17:14, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

We don't have to use the word "meta". You can just split them up into "good" and "great" builds. We'll just say there is no "meta" for fractals so they don't need that designation.
If we split up HoT and pre builds, we might have to create a new category. Should ask Valento about that, or perhaps there is already a way to do so with specializations (probably is actually). We could split this on two rows, but two columns might take a bit more work. Should be do-able.
Do we need a "best of build" section? Are there some classes that are so significantly worse that they'd be placed at best in the "good" section as opposed to great? I would hope with HoT that these things got balanced (all professions having at least one build in great), but I'm not aware, so I apologize.
Do you think we should have separate pages for raids/fractals? We could copy paste the tempest one and use it for only raids with that variant. Or if you think the variants are less, then we can simply indicate it in the guide. If we use one build for raids & fractals they'll have to start being much clearer about which things gow tih which guide. For instance, gear should explicitly state "For fractals & raids use berserker's" etc. Chase @ 18:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Raids

Ok, it is basically the same as on the Fractal (Dungeons) section.
The difference I'd like to have there, Raids do have some kind of meta.

  1. Team comp:
    • There is a base comp of classes you should have for the raid, we should name them there.
    • The other slots have a best in slot for each boss.
    • Even that there is a best in slot, besides the base comp, basically everything is viable.
  2. Guides:
    • I'd like to have either one guide for the complete raid or one for each boss.
    • This guides should include, most optimal team comp as well as information about the boss and encounter.
    • As an example, Gorseval got a fairly huge hitbox, Tempest staff ele is highly recommended.
    • The question is most likely, do it all in one guide or separate them.
  3. class builds:
    • We most likely will double up information with the guides, because you have to change stuff for each boss depending on the class.
    • Some of the class builds here will overlap with the Fractal (Dungeons) builds.
    • We could make different sections as well, one for the base team comp, another on for the highly recommended builds and a third one for the viable options.
  4. Consumables:
    • As I said on the other section already, we might have to rework it a bit, to make it fit for raids as well. Could start with changing the name.
  5. Others:

I dont really like this weird build section on the bottom. Same counts for the Fractal part as well. Maybe this can be somewhere else, because it might be a bit confusing for some people. And yeah, again, give me your thoughts about that.--Thor (talk) 17:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

  1. We can create a team comp just like we have for fractals, for raids instead. If you'd like me to create a basic page let me know.
  2. We can have a guide for the entire raid and split it into sections for each boss. One guide will be preferable for now as there are only 3 bosses. We can split it up depending on how long it gets.
  3. I'm confused here lol. Could you provide short examples?
  4. Also not sure about this section. We already have a consumables guide, can we add it to that?
  5. Do you mean on the pages that show all the builds? Or on the actual build pages?
Sorry for all the confusion, I'm not overly familiar with raids. Chase @ 17:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)