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+ | ===Equipment Variants=== | ||
+ | '''Mobility options''' | ||
− | ''' | + | It's recommended that you use either Rune of the Lynx, Relic of the Wayfinder, or offhand Warhorn for a mobility boost. These all have their pros and cons: |
− | * {{Relic|Relic of the | + | * {{Rune|Lynx}} - allows you to run Sword and whatever relic you'd like. Relic of the Demon Queen for example provides some extra pressure, a cover condition that's always applied when you do Fear chains, and the extra healing reduction makes it harder for enemies to resustain. |
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+ | * {{Relic|Relic of the Wayfinder}} - it's a bit better mobility option than Rune of the Lynx and you can run Sword with it all the same. You sacrifice your relic slot and the powerful bonuses that could come with that, but get to play runes with better stats like {{Rune|Necromancer}} which could increase your overall damage. | ||
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+ | * '''Warhorn''' offers {{Tooltip|Swiftness}} which is better than both the rune and the relic for mobility, but it doesn't give you permanent uptime on it and being a boon it can be countered by boon removal, whereas the rune and relic bonuses are also active. With Warhorn however you get to play better runes and relics. | ||
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*'''Never''' spam your marks on the ground out of combat - they are easy to spot and a single dodge from the enemy can get rid of them. The only exception can be {{Skill|Mark of Blood}} (because it's not a key skill and has a low CD), which you can freely place at an entrance or under yourself to potentially give away Stealthed enemy movement. | *'''Never''' spam your marks on the ground out of combat - they are easy to spot and a single dodge from the enemy can get rid of them. The only exception can be {{Skill|Mark of Blood}} (because it's not a key skill and has a low CD), which you can freely place at an entrance or under yourself to potentially give away Stealthed enemy movement. | ||
− | * Both weapon sets have access to unblockable CC skills: {{Skill|Reaper's Mark}} on '''Staff''' and {{Skill|Wail of Doom}} on '''Scepter/Warhorn'''. | + | * Both weapon sets have access to unblockable CC skills (when playing with '''Warhorn'''): {{Skill|Reaper's Mark}} on '''Staff''' and {{Skill|Wail of Doom}} on '''Scepter/Warhorn'''. |
<!--*Entering Shroud triggers {{Trait|Weakening Shroud}}. If you're CC'd and getting focused you can enter shroud to rip boons and apply {{Tooltip|Weakness}} as a defensive measure. | <!--*Entering Shroud triggers {{Trait|Weakening Shroud}}. If you're CC'd and getting focused you can enter shroud to rip boons and apply {{Tooltip|Weakness}} as a defensive measure. | ||
*Entering {{Skill|Lich Form}} near the end of the ready up phase at the beginning of a game (right before the final 10 second countdown starts) makes you start off with 5% Life Force. Not a lot but better than nothing.--> | *Entering {{Skill|Lich Form}} near the end of the ready up phase at the beginning of a game (right before the final 10 second countdown starts) makes you start off with 5% Life Force. Not a lot but better than nothing.--> |
Revision as of 06:56, 13 July 2024
The community gave this build a rating, making it top-tier: Great
Focused on: Condition damage and Boon removal
Designed for: PvP Conquest
Difficulty:
Easy
This build was last updated on July 13, 2024 and is up to date for the June 25, 2024 patch.
Overview
A Condition Necromancer PvP build with a big focus on Fear chains, made to teamfight. Usable by F2P players as well.
Skill Bar
Weapon 1: Scepter
Weapon 2: Sword
Weapon 3: Staff
Weapon 4: X
Healing skill: Consume Conditions
Utility skill 1: Spectral Ring
Utility skill 2: Summon Flesh Wurm
Utility skill 3: Spectral Walk
Elite skill: Lich Form
Skill Variants
Weapons
- To play offhand Sword you need to own the Secrets of the Obscure expansion.
- Free-to-play players are going to have to play Scepter/Warhorn instead of Scepter/Pistol.
Heal
- Signet of Vampirism - it's a better healing skill if you're expecting to face mostly Power-based specs and won't have to deal with conditions much.
Elite
- Summon Flesh Golem - the idea here is to use a worse elite, but exploit the low CD with Relic of the Nightmare for another long duation AoE fear proc.
Template Code
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Specializations
Curses: Mid, Mid, Mid
Blood Magic: Bot, Bot, Mid
Variants
- Banshee's Wail could slightly improve your Warhorn
Fear duration at the expense of survivability and group utility. This is also giving you better
Swiftness uptime so you may even consider droping Rune of the Lynx for something stronger (like Necromancer), although this'd still leave you vulnerable to boon removal.
Soul Reaping: Mid, Bot, Bot
Variants
- If you feel like you're not getting enough value out of Dhuumfire in your games because you often find yourself Life Force starved or focused by the enemy team and don't have opportunities to use shroud autos, then consider picking up Eternal Life instead. Eternal Life is a decent defensive CD in general, especially in a build that doesn't have a lot of instant cast defensive abilities.
Specialization Variants
Death Magic over
Blood Magic. Both of these are strong defensive specializations, DM offers better damage mitigation and condition cleansing while BM adds extra healing and group utility to the build:
Death Magic: Bot, Bot, Mid
Equipment
Weapon 1: scepter
Weapon 2: sword
Sigil 1: Doom
Sigil 2: Exposure
Weapon 3: staff
Weapon 4: X
Sigil 3: Energy
Sigil 4: Intelligence
Rune: Lynx
Amulet: Carrion
Equipment Variants
Mobility options
It's recommended that you use either Rune of the Lynx, Relic of the Wayfinder, or offhand Warhorn for a mobility boost. These all have their pros and cons:
- Lynx - allows you to run Sword and whatever relic you'd like. Relic of the Demon Queen for example provides some extra pressure, a cover condition that's always applied when you do Fear chains, and the extra healing reduction makes it harder for enemies to resustain.
- Relic of the Wayfinder - it's a bit better mobility option than Rune of the Lynx and you can run Sword with it all the same. You sacrifice your relic slot and the powerful bonuses that could come with that, but get to play runes with better stats like Necromancer which could increase your overall damage.
- Warhorn offers
Swiftness which is better than both the rune and the relic for mobility, but it doesn't give you permanent uptime on it and being a boon it can be countered by boon removal, whereas the rune and relic bonuses are also active. With Warhorn however you get to play better runes and relics.
Usage
General
- Positioning: Necromancer sustain is far from great. Keep out of melee range whenever possible and abuse spots which break teleport skills to make it harder to get to you. Don't stand on capture points unless you absolutely have to.
- All of your marks are unblockable and generate Life Force.
- Never spam your marks on the ground out of combat - they are easy to spot and a single dodge from the enemy can get rid of them. The only exception can be Mark of Blood (because it's not a key skill and has a low CD), which you can freely place at an entrance or under yourself to potentially give away Stealthed enemy movement.
- Both weapon sets have access to unblockable CC skills (when playing with Warhorn): Reaper's Mark on Staff and Wail of Doom on Scepter/Warhorn.
- Locust Swarm can act as a counter to
Blind when used in melee range of any enemy. This skill frequently pulses damage around you which can "consume" the blind on you, causing a tick of Locust Swarm to miss instead of some important skill you're casting.
Damage
- The build is all about keeping targets constantly pressured before finishing them off with
Fear chains. Fear is the strongest damaging condition in the build thanks to Terror.
- Scepter/Warhorn is a bit more bursty while Staff is more of a utility weapon used to snare targets, transfer conditions, and CC/build Life Force from range.
- Feast of Corruption is a strong burst skill but only when used on targets with at least 4-5 different conditions. It also corrupts a boon which means with a little luck this could add another source of
Fear to the build.
- Summon Flesh Golem is taken for its Relic of the Nightmare synergy because this is the shortest CD core Necromancer elite skill. The
Fear proc itself has a delay and should go off after the Golem's Charge, which means it won't override the knockdown.
- There are 5 sources of
Fear in the build, try chaining them together when you're going for the kill on an already pressured target:
- Either Relic of the Nightmare when playing with Flesh Golem or Ripple of Horror when using Lich Form.
- Doom - Shroud #3.
- Wail of Doom - Warhorn #4 OR Devouring Visage - Sword #5.
- Reaper's Mark - Staff #5.
- Spectral Ring - utility skill. The ring applies
Fear whenever an enemy crosses it, and you could force them to cross by using other sources of Fear on them. The duration of Fear stacks.
- Both the Scepter and Pistol autoattacks are far superior to Staff's in terms of damage. Scepter could even apply
Poison for healing reduction.
- Putrid Mark is a Blast finisher, you may combo this with Chillblains for AoE
Weakness or Spectral Ring for AoE Chaos Armor.
Sustain
- The build has above average condition cleansing by Necromancer standards.
- Both entering and exiting shroud removes conditions thanks to Plague Sending and Unholy Martyr.
- Spectral Walk (SW) is great for preventing condition pressure from ramping up on you. Activating its chain skill which "ends" Spectral Walk does not stop the cleansing. This skill has many uses, for example:
- Activate SW ⇒ jump off a cliff while being chased ⇒ Spectral Recall when your enemies jump after you.
- Activate SW ⇒ Necrotic Traversal (if using Flesh Wurm) ⇒ teleport back when they catch up to you. This works for stomping downed enemies as well, the channeling isn't interrupted by either of these teleports!
- Summon Flesh Wurm should be placed well before entering combat, preferably at a spot where your enemies can't reach it easily. Wurm provides you with an escape route and makes it easier to travel around the map in general. Last but not least, teleporting to the wurm with Necrotic Traversal grants 10% life force, which means you could consider using the teleport before even leaving spawn at the start of a game in order to start off with enough LF for a Death Shroud activation.
- Even at maximum LF you may consider activating Spectral skills before entering death shroud. The added LF generation and sustain can prolong its duration significantly.
- Consume Conditions is more of a last resort option that should only be used at or below ~50% HP and when other forms of cleansing/healing won't suffice.
Top Streamers
- Twitch: Naru
- Twitch: Bel
Related Builds
- Core Condition Roamer - the WvW Roaming version of this sPvP build.
Ratings
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
Updated for the Relic patch, it's still quite good. Great CC and damage with decent sustain. Far from meta but definitely solid in ranked.
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
Been a strong build since 2012. Good teamfighter, versatile, tanky, positioning is important though.
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
Extremely comfy teamfighter and surprisingly proficient in 1v1. Very tanky and survivable, and very uncomfortable for teams to play against with large AoE condi spam. Secretly a support build with vampiric presence and if you drop your Spectral Ring in the middle of a teamfight, the prot and fear together can singlehandedly turn the tide of the battle. Personally, I run Lingering Curse for the AoE boon strip and +200 condi dmg, and my secret sauce is replacing Spectral Walk with Signet of Undeath. Signet of Undeath gives you like endless shroud, 500+hp every 3 seconds which supercharges your sustain and a res too, but you have to time it well because it costs 1/3 of your hp.
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
Amazing sustain and dps, perfect for any situation and has basically 0 skill cap
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
This is one of the best build for the necro. Simple but tankier and better sustain than scourge and reaper.
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
I've being playing core necro exclusively for about 6 months and I must admit, I got pretty good with it, i fell like I can play it better than with the expansions.
And now after the new patch uhuhuh, I need to say that being able to use skill 4 and 5 on shroud with lower CD is very good, just the skill 2 i would say that now is kinda crap.
Regardless, any 1v1 against reaper, scourge, all types of engineer, warriors and guardians, I can deal without much of a problem.
The only traits that I change are blood Bond and terror, and I'm good to go 😄👍
![4 stars](/wiki/images/b/b1/4-star.png)
Good if you want blood and curses. Tanky is the best word for this one
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
Lol, I honestly thought I would do bad without reaper, but it's actually VERY good, nice condition damage.
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
Call me crazy, but this build is amazing even though it loses out on the superior dealers shroud, it has amazing Condi damage, plus good survivability, anyone who says this is garbage is smoking.
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
Quite literally the best f2p build out there, good Condi dmg, good survivability,
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
Necro without Reaper is still decent as boon corruption is such a big part of it. That being said, I can't give it great rating since Reaper brings much more burst, damage, and CC that vanilla Neco just doesn't have. However, if you don't have HoT, this Necro build is the best you can run.
![5 stars](/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png)
A little hard to give up the Reaper shroud, but necro is in such a good place right now that even non-elite gets a good recommendation!
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